Mumbai: Hyderabad MP Asaduddin Owaisi while debating at Times LitFest in New Delhi Saturday left Bhartiya Janata Party (BJP) MP Subramanian Swamy struggling for answers and the organisers to conclude that the AIMIM leader was more reasonable and scored higher than the Saffron party's firebrand ideologue.
The TOI report said the two expressed their views on various issues including Ram Temple, Hindutva, Uniform Civil Code (UCC), cow slaughter and also the upcoming elections in Uttar Pradesh during the debate moderated by senior journalist Rajdeep Sardesai.
While both the leaders agreed to accept the Supreme Court verdict on Babri Masjid-Ram Temple dispute, they differed on the other issues.
The two politicians were also united in their distrust for Union Finance Minister Arun Jaitley. But, Owaisi openly talked about that while Swamy mostly alluded to it.
Swamy cited the Directive Principles (DPs) of the Constitution to justify a ban on cow slaughter, and to justify the call for a Uniform Civil Code (UCC).
On the other hand, Asaduddin Owaisi reminded the audience that DPs were just 'directives.' And that Fundamental Rights were a lot higher in the hierarchy than DPs.
"Freedom of Religion, a Fundamental Right, therefore takes primacy over religion", Owaisi said.
Swamy, on his part, talked about Hindu civilisation always being accepting of other religions. He spoke of how India welcomed Jews, Christians and even Muslims way back in the day, in Kerala.
"The Jews were even allowed to build synagogues. This is the only country in the world where the Jews were not persecuted. Violent Islam disrupted this society," Swamy said.
At this point, the moderator Rajdeep Sardesai asked whether it was right to avenge in 2016 (or 1992 when the Babri Masjid was destroyed by Hindus) an act of violence that occurred in the four or five centuries ago. He also made a veiled accusation that Swamy is communal.
Swamy rejected the moderator's accusation that he is communal, by talking about his pluralistic family.
"My credentials... see, my wife is Parsi, my son-in-law is Muslim, I have Jewish brothers-in-law and a Christian sister-in-law. None of them finds me communal," Swamy quipped.
Still, he added that India is a Hindu majority country and that faith trumps law, so if people "believe Ram is born there" that should take primacy.
It is precisely this kind of "majoritarianism" that Owasi took issue with and said he has a problem with.
"Nehru also said that the greatest fear is majoritarianism. If you believe in plurality and diversity we have to ask that question," Owaisi said.
Referring to the upcoming elections in Uttar Pradesh and four other states, Owaisi said issues like cow slaughter and the Uniform Civil Code (UCC) "only come up when the BJP has to contest" elections.
At this point Owaisi also mentioned that a Wikileaks document showed that Finance Minister Jaitley once said, "Hindutva is just for vote bank."
To this, Swamy nodded emphatically and said about his party colleague, "Yes, yes, Wikileaks did show that."